36 grain Varmint Grenade

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36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by NRAshooter » 26 Dec 2008, 16:05

I was looking for a projectile as a substitute for the restricted "Duty Ammunition" and upon asking one of my reloading friends who works at Cabelas, I was lead to the 36 grain Varmint Grenade. Apparently the Varmint Grenade carries a component that at 5.7 velocity will burn through a steel plate. I can't remember entirely what he said, but it is some sort of carbide powder or tungsten powder or something of that nature. I began experimenting with this a while ago but I settled on this load and acheived excellent accuracy as well as velocity out of the handgun.

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Barnes 36 grn Varmint Grenade
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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by panzermk2 » 26 Dec 2008, 16:53

Sorry pure bull on that burning metal crap.
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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by stg2ahn » 26 Dec 2008, 17:55

+1,,
I was about to say, hearsays aren't fact.

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by Vortec MAX » 26 Dec 2008, 19:34

NRAshooter wrote:upon asking one of my reloading friends who works at Cabelas, I was lead to the 36 grain Varmint Grenade. Apparently the Varmint Grenade carries a component that at 5.7 velocity will burn through a steel plate. I can't remember entirely what he said, but it is some sort of carbide powder or tungsten powder or something of that nature.
Any chance this guy is named Napoleon and he makes drawings of Ligers?

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by LightningMan » 26 Dec 2008, 20:44

IMO I would think you would be better off using a FMJ bullet as you would have a better chance to burn through a steel plate. Even with FMJ'ed bullets, that steel plate would not be very thick, as IMHO the bullet just doesn't have enough mass/weight. LM

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by NRAshooter » 26 Dec 2008, 20:46

Sorry I said burn, but I think "will penetrate" is the term he used. Napolean? Ligers? Que?

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by Grantness » 26 Dec 2008, 21:09

...i believe that was a Napolean Dynamite reference :laugh:

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by tdevince » 26 Dec 2008, 22:27

If you check out Barnes' website, you'll see a video of the varmint grenade coming apart on a seedless grape. Not a likely choice for penetrating steel.

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by stg2ahn » 26 Dec 2008, 22:35

NRAshooter wrote: Apparently the Varmint Grenade carries a component that at 5.7 velocity will burn through a steel plate.
If you want chemical reactions, then get the EA tracers rounds.

For penetration you got the PenetraTORS and Ultra RapTORS.

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by ArtosDracon » 27 Dec 2008, 01:52

tdevince wrote:If you check out Barnes' website, you'll see a video of the varmint grenade coming apart on a seedless grape. Not a likely choice for penetrating steel.
+1 good self defense round against plain clothes attackers because of this explosive effect, not good for penetration. most likely would not make it through a window, hollow core door, hollow wall, anything of that effect, so it's certainly not going to penetrate a car door or anything like that.

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by panzermk2 » 27 Dec 2008, 14:32

The varmint grenade stays together when going through hard or solid objects. We had no problem shooting it through 1/8 steel plates from a USG at 20 feet.

A window, hollow core door, hollow wall, will not keep the varmint grenade from killing someone on the other side.
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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by NRAshooter » 27 Dec 2008, 19:17

Oh... Right. I haven't seen Napolean Dynamite in years. Anyway I haven't had a chance to see all of EAs products but I would like to be able to reload my own AP ammo anyway. (I'll probably by some EA ammo anyway) I agree with Panzermk2

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36gr Varmint Grenade

Post by Turtle » 31 Dec 2011, 08:48

Does anyone have a good recipe for the 36gr VG with True Blue?
If so , what COAL are you using.
I have tried a couple of loads with 6.0 and 6.2 grains but have been getting rather LARGE SD's.
Any suggestions?

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Re: 36gr Varmint Grenade

Post by GONRA » 02 Jan 2012, 13:29

GONRA uses loading data motivated by TruBlue powder manufacturer spec sheet.
36 grain .224 inch diameter Barnes bullet.
6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 grains True Blue all function Just Fine.
6.3 grains is tops for me. No primer cratering!
Winchester Small Rifle primers.
1.545 inch OAL.
This is for the FN pistol.

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Re: 36gr Varmint Grenade

Post by Turtle » 03 Jan 2012, 07:09

Thanks GONRA

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has anyone tested the 36 gr varmint grenade?

Post by knifemaker » 21 Jan 2013, 17:18

hello everyone, i am new to the forum and have just begun to handload for the 5.7,, i found a load that has been working well (6.0gr trublu with a 36 gr varmint grenade) ..my question is - have any of you done any testing with this particular projectile in gel, or used on varmints? i have thought of using this as a h/d load and against the groundhogs but have no way to test this round. penetration? does it reliably fragment? factory ammo doesn't exist in my state - so what i can load is all i have...

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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by Rapier1772 » 21 Jan 2013, 18:07

Merged - not sure why you posted that in Site Info forum when it's a reloading question :ponder:

But anyway, hope the original threads help. If not, please try the search function or feel free to ask for further explanation.
As I recall, the grenade bullet will fragment IF you get it going fast enough, but that's a big if. I'd recommend a V-max or hollowpoint type round.
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Re: 36 grain Varmint Grenade

Post by knifemaker » 22 Jan 2013, 22:45

sorry about that - not only am i new to this forum , but am new to the whole "forum" world...i chose the 36 gr varmint grenade because it was all i could get ahold of locally..thanks for the info

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Info 0n powder bullet combo

Post by buckdp » 21 May 2014, 11:01

I am getting ready to reload my 5.7 pistol. I have HS6 and #5 powder Going to use 36gr. var. grenade bullets.
Am I o.k. with these powders and any load data for these combos would really help. Thanks

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Re: Info 0n powder bullet combo

Post by Rapier1772 » 21 May 2014, 14:14

Here's a thread with some information: http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic ... e&start=20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
tdevince wrote:Here's my data for Barnes Varmint Grenade:
Bullet: 36 gr. Barnes Varmint Grenade
Powder: 6.5 gr HS6
Primer: CCI 400
Avg. Vel. 1934
Energy: 299 ft-lb

Bullet: 36 gr. Barnes Varmint Grenade
Powder: 6.6 gr HS6
Primer: CCI 400
Avg. Vel. 1954
Energy: 305 ft-lb

Bullet: 36 gr. Barnes Varmint Grenade
Powder: 6.8 gr HS6
Primer: CCI 400
Avg. Vel. 2044
Energy: 334 ft-lb
Based on this, I would recommend starting at 6.0gr & working up. In fact, I think I will load up some like that & see what I get.
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