Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by panzermk2 » 22 Mar 2016, 12:07

The new bullet will act just like the S4M only better. It will be traveling faster and will have a harder core.
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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by kmiles » 23 Mar 2016, 08:16

Any chance that you will be selling any more of the T6/T6B turned solids again? I bought a couple of boxes the last time you sold them, and I am down to the last box.

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by panzermk2 » 23 Mar 2016, 12:11

Yes
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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by blizzardscout2 » 22 Jun 2016, 22:17

Rapier1772 wrote:
panzermk2 wrote:Along with our brass we will be making our own version of the 27gr bullet only it 25gr and a harder core. We will be selling this bullet also along with our brass.
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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by Fotis » 17 Jul 2016, 18:44

panzermk2 wrote: The 40gr can't hold a candle to the damage the 27gr does.






Is this also true for the factory Ammunition? 27 gr vs 40 gr v max???????????

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by Fotis » 30 Jul 2016, 12:01

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by Kiran04 » 30 Jul 2016, 19:03

No, the 27 grain SS198LF does not meet penetration standards. The 40 grain SS197SR does.

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by grimmond » 01 Aug 2016, 13:51

Kiran04 wrote:No, the 27 grain SS198LF does not meet penetration standards. The 40 grain SS197SR does.
As in the other post you are confused with SS195.
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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by Kiran04 » 01 Aug 2016, 18:49

grimmond wrote:
Kiran04 wrote:No, the 27 grain SS198LF does not meet penetration standards. The 40 grain SS197SR does.
As in the other post you are confused with SS195.
Neg, both Buffman and mrgunsandgear have videos with SS198LF failing to meet penetration standards. So no, I am not confusing anything for anything it is not. You are confusing SS198LF with a round that meets FBI standards.

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by DoubleJ » 02 Aug 2016, 14:11

Kiran, I don't think you understand the FBI jello standard. It relies heavily on expansion to meet it's criteria, so of course the 195/198 will fail, they're Hague compliant non-expanding bullets. The only reason that there is a jello test in the first place is to compare apples to apples between different loads and bullets and such. It doesn't replicate what a bullet actually does in the body, what with bones and muscles and organs and such. One thing you may find interesting, after the 1986 Miami shootout, when the FBI test was invented due to the Winchester Silver Tip that didn't kill bad guy #2, the FBI determined that the Norma loaded 10mm auto was the way to go. Oops, too powerful for the ladies! So then the .40 became a thing. Oops, not the bee's knees either! Now, the FBI has gone right back to the 9mm, because everyone can shoot it, and it does the job. Check out the energy levels of the 9mm vs the 5.7, you might find them very similar. Of course the 9 has to do the job through expansion, and the 5.7 has to do it through de-stabilization, but you get the same overall effect, a big booboo.

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by Kiran04 » 03 Aug 2016, 17:03

DoubleJ wrote:Kiran, I don't think you understand the FBI jello standard. It relies heavily on expansion to meet it's criteria, so of course the 195/198 will fail, they're Hague compliant non-expanding bullets. The only reason that there is a jello test in the first place is to compare apples to apples between different loads and bullets and such. It doesn't replicate what a bullet actually does in the body, what with bones and muscles and organs and such. One thing you may find interesting, after the 1986 Miami shootout, when the FBI test was invented due to the Winchester Silver Tip that didn't kill bad guy #2, the FBI determined that the Norma loaded 10mm auto was the way to go. Oops, too powerful for the ladies! So then the .40 became a thing. Oops, not the bee's knees either! Now, the FBI has gone right back to the 9mm, because everyone can shoot it, and it does the job. Check out the energy levels of the 9mm vs the 5.7, you might find them very similar. Of course the 9 has to do the job through expansion, and the 5.7 has to do it through de-stabilization, but you get the same overall effect, a big booboo.
I do understand the FBI standard. Of course I know that it is not an exact match to human tissue. But it's a decent approximation for testing purposes. I also understand that a lot of people don't care for it. That's fine. That does not alter my opinion, however. Bullet energy also fails to tell the whole story. That's the whole reason we have terminal ballistics testing to begin with. SS198LF does not meet FBI standards. As such, I do not consider it a viable self defense round. I am not alone in this position on the round. The 5.7x28FN does have ammunition that meets FBI standards. Given that they're also cheaper, there's absolutely no reason to choose the more expensive SS198LF when the 197SR will do. The fact that it costs half as much alone is enough to discount SS198LF.

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by DoubleJ » 04 Aug 2016, 03:31

Please send me the link to a site documenting the 5.7 being fully tested to the FBI standard, that sounds like an interesting read.

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Re: Favorite 5.7 reloading powder/load?

Post by NLVMike » 05 Aug 2016, 08:30

This thread certainly went off track. Getting back to the OP, I have been able to find some True Blue, and like it. I also bought 5 lbs of de-mil ss190 powder from a de-mil contractor that I buy a lot of stuff from. It is something similar to True Blue, so I spent a long time working up a safe load. In the end, the load ended up the same as the store bought True Blue. I have been loading the 35 grain Hornady NTX bullets that I buy online from Midway. I really like them. They are easier to load than the really short Varmint Nightmare Extreme bullets, because they are so much longer. I don't know how they perform in gel or tissue, but they shoot very consistent and cycle well in my Five Seven and PS90.

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